You've come down very much on the, really a side of a controversy that most people didn't even know existed which is that empathy in many cases is harmful. Tell me about what you've said about empathy and let's get into the details. I always have to begin with the most boring way ever to begin anything which is what we're talking about terminology because people use the term empathy in all sorts of ways. People think empathy just as a word referring to anything good, compassion, care, love, morality, making the world a better place and so on. Under that, construal of empathy, I have nothing against it. I mean, I want to make the world a

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