The Oathkeepers and the Proud Boys

Ryan Riley: The phone call in the night of January 6 where one of the oathkeepers has said that they heard Stuart Rhodes talking with a Trump intermediary essentially. And what came out in trial this week is that Stuart Rhodes had purported to have a connection to someone in the secret service. But I don't think that because the oathkeepers and Stuart Rhodes were so clear about they were going to go forward without Donald Trump, that's a big quote. It doesn't necessarily make a difference in terms of guilt or innocence, whether or not they were directly communicating with Donald Trump.