Nilekani Philanthropies: A Bottom Up Approach

I want to talk a little bit more about nilekani philanthropies which is sort of you know the umbrella organization that supports a lot of these other civil associations NGOs think tanks and so on. And I have noticed that there seem to be two distinct sides to Nilekani philanthropy, one being citizen first participatory bottom up approach while the other is about a systems architecture or system design approach. So do you view these two sides as complementary do these approaches ever clash or are they feeding into each other? "I hope they're complementary but my work and Nanden's work sometimes he does some different work," she says.