How Hard Is It to Conduct Human Intelligence Operations in China?

Summary

John Mullen (LinkedIn) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss his life and career. He was awarded the Distinguished Intelligence Medal.  

What You’ll Learn

Intelligence

• How John was recruited 
• Life as an adrenaline addict in the CIA
• Case officers vs. entrepreneurs
• How China spies on corporate America 

Reflections

• Atlantic vs. Pacific outlook
• Quantum

And much, much more…

Episode Notes

The Pacific Theater of WWII was imprinted on John Mullen as a young boy. He grew up in Seattle on the West Coast and had family members who remembered Boeing factories under camouflaged nets. He had two family members who were killed in that theater in the 1940s. 

John went on to have a stellar CIA career - but one that always had an eye to the East. He went on the become the Assistant Director for Asia and the Pacific, leading all clandestine activity across this huge region, and spent time as a CIA Station Chief in the Far East. He has since co-founded his own firm and is currently engaged in protecting innovation at Strider Technologies as an Executive Vice President. 

Ever wondered what it’d be like to join the CIA or to leave it to work in corporate America? 

I have a feeling John might be able to help…

And…

Business intelligence, competitive intelligence, product intelligence, workforce intelligence: in case you haven’t noticed – intel is everywhere these days! 

Quote of the Week

Honestly, in my 30 years, at CIA, there were probably less than two handfuls of days. I woke up and wasn't excited about going to work. – John Mullen.

Resources

SURFACE SKIM

*Andrew’s Recommendation*

• The Pacific War, WELT (2021) [documentary]

*Beginner Resources*

• What We Know About China’s Spy Agency, Bloomberg (2019) [4 min video]
• Start Ups Backed by the CIA and Pentagon, CB Insights (2016) [short web article]
• Brian Cox Explains Quantum Mechanics in 60 secs, BBC, (2014) [60 sec video]

DEEPER DIVE

*SpyCasts*

• CIA Case Officer, Cyber Entrepreneur, Burning Man Volunteer with Mike Susong, Part 1 (2022)
• CIA Case Officer, Cyber Entrepreneur, Burning Man Volunteer with Mike Susong, Part 2 (2022)
• From the CIA to Strategic Cyber with Hans Holmer (2022)
• My Global Career as a Female FBI Agent with Kathy Stearman (2021)

Books

• China Unbound: A New World Disorder, J. Chiu (House of Anansi Press, 2021)
• Quantum Computing for Everyone, C. Berhardt (MIT, 2020)
• Chinese Espionage Operations and Tactics, N. Eftimiades (Vitruvian Press, 2020)
• Spies for Nimitz: Joint Military Intelligence in the Pacific War, J. Moore (Naval Institute Press, 2004)
• In Search of Schrödinger's Cat: Quantum Physics and Reality, J. Gribbin (Bantam Books, 1984)

Articles

• Chinese intelligence officer sentenced to 20 years in prison in espionage case, R. Legare, CBS News (2022)
• The World-Changing Race to Develop the Quantum Computer, S. Witt, The New Yorker (2022)
• Paradigm Shift: China’s State Capitalism Is Not Colliding With Its Technological Ambitions, Strider (2021)

Video

• Made in Beijing: The Plan for Global Market Domination, FBI (2022)
• China's New Quantum Computing Breakthrough Shocks American Scientists, YouTube (2022)
• Seattle’s Waterway to the World, YouTube (2017)

Primary Sources

• Indo-Pacific Strategy of the United States (2022)
• The Information War in the Pacific, 1945, J. Williams (2002)
• The Art of China Watching, G. Solin (1996)

*Wildcard Resource*

• The American Battle Monuments Commission maintains 26 military cemeteries and memorials in 17 different foreign countries around the world that honor Americans that served in World War I and World War II. If you have a family member buried abroad, you can utilize ABMC’s Burial Search to locate their records. 

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