Meg Urry: I think we make things seem more complicated than they actually are. There's the maturity model thing and we'll talk more about that. But just to call back to earlier episodes, level three is the Hollywood model. We use mission based teams to make movies. Even if you got a really good playbook...you would hit these little micro moments where if your capabilities are not there yet, you would get snagged. You can have tools but underneath them is like skill capability and repetition that allows you to really fly when you're in that MBT structure.

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