Introduction

Mike Downey: I believe that's how we all start in the cave staring at ourselves chained up, looking at the shadows on the wall. That's an allegory that comes up in the conversation you all are about to listen to with my friend Scott Strode. He is a recovering addict and he created an organization called The Phoenix which has 162,000 members as of now. This thing has grown like a weed, Mike says; it's not only nationally, but it's also globally.