Liz: People tend to just get stuck on the pain part, but a greater casualty of it is that you can't be present in your life. Michael: The next big trends that we're really confronting now is not just presenting physically but through mental health. Liz: I think personally having back pain actually was the best thing that could have happened to me because it was not just everything that you both just said, it was the blindness to what was going on and to relationship between conscious and subconscious.

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