Constellation has started to spin off assets. They have done one spin off as of this conversation, and it's possible that by the time the conversation is posted, they will have completed the second. If Topikis had been available for purchase in the same way that they acquire most of their other businesses, I think they probably would have done that. In this specific case, Topikis' management team wanted the name to live on as a public company. And TSS, which was the operating group within constellation that acquired Topikis, itself had been acquired in a unique fashion where they used ring-fenced debt to help boost the equity IRRs.

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