I think for the first time in my political life, i suppose weve, we're beginning to hear people say, actually, this isn't working very well. Andi, i mean, i'm encouraged. People have seen what it's like to get treatment somewhere other than the n h s and they don't think it's that bad, necessarily. So the problem is that you can't change the n h S overnightw it is the task of a generation really change thi monolith. You've got to start somewhere. Should take off some of the sort of frivolities that people should pay for themselves. But that's going to take 20 years, if you start ef

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