Greg Bishop is the author of Project Beta: The Story of Paul Bennewitz, National Security, and the Creation of a Modern UFO Myth.

This conversation delves into the complex world of UFOs, focusing on Paul Bennewitz case. Bennewitz became embroiled in a web of disinformation and counterintelligence operations surrounding UFO phenomena. The discussion highlights the role of Kirtland Air Force Base in UFO lore, the psychological impacts of belief in UFOs, and the use of technology in research. It emphasizes the dangers of misinformation and the lasting legacy of Bennewitz's experiences in shaping UFO culture.

We discuss the implications of belief systems in understanding UFOs, the enigmatic figure of Richard Doty, and the social experiments surrounding UFO disclosure. The conversation also explores the scientific aspects of anti-gravity, the nature of information within the UFO community, and the challenges faced by whistleblowers. Ultimately, they reflect on the liminal space that UFOs occupy in society and the potential for future revelations.