How do you get groups that don't currently care to care either that are larger or where the cumulative effect of how they care stacks functions enough? That's just straightforward principle of political thinking. Do we want to go horizontal or vertical here? Maybe you could stick with that example and look at transition and long term briefly. Or do you want to break the triage down between culture, political economy and tech stack?Yeah. Yeah. So I'll give a transition example. This is not changing the overall economic incentives in those countries or the mindsets of the people or anything. But an example there could be something like, I learned this kind of thinking from a guy named Nelson Del Rio,

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