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Learning How to See with Brian McLaren

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Is There a Stage of Harmony?

"It's part of growth to say, I'm just not interested in that anymore," he says. "The stage of harmony has more jagged edges in it than it sounds like" He adds: "I'm trying to explore what it means to be a human being more fully"

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