I'd just add one thing to Talix's stuff which is basically this sort of idea that there's no way of removing MEV. I feel like somehow even though we're in 2022 it's still controversial because people are still always trying to do it and then you know when they do it they don't realize they introduce some like centralized cudgel. In a lot of the fair ordering things they kind of implicitly assume some sort of fallback oracle fallback ordering person who is effectively centralized. We still haven't actually figured out how to correctly define what A stands for.

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