The Ukraine has a vibrant tech sector, which means engineering and all that kind of stuff. Kiev has a lot of excellent universities, and they still go on. The biggest hit, I would say, is not the infrastructure of the science, but the fact, because of the high morale, everybody is joining the military. Everybody wants to fight. There's no discussion of kind of pacifism. So it's like, if you're a scientist, it feels like what it feels like almost like you're dishonoring humanity continuing to do things you were doing before.

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