How did you go from captain of wrestling team to teaching about mindfulness? I think somewhere in there, I read the book toward a psychology of being by Abraham Maslow when I was a freshman in college. He was describing a study that he had done about how there seemed to be a small slice of people who were particularly self-aware. And my one year leave of absence from Rutgers University turned into 10 years of living at the San Francisco Zen Center.

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