I think a more powerful case can be made for civil liberties. It's just a question of where you think the argument should take place. Should it take place on perfectionis terms, or does antiperfectionism enable us to parachute out of those difficult questions? And this is why i've sometimes described rols's project, and i'm misunderstood. But i call the project heroic. I think it's a spectacular failure, but a spectacular one. We're just about everybody realizes that gus rolls is really there making some perfectionist assumptions. He's thinking that he's not, he's in good faith. The one's about the nature of the good and how it's best served

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