Is there a way to explain why it's so difficult? I mean, shouldn't the real world be the easier one to explain. Well, I kind of suspect that sometimes you don't always understand the simplest things first. But also, the real world is a very, very complicated place. A lot of stuff happens,. and now complexity, of course, can arise out of simplicity, and often does. We're looking at the end product to see through this very, very simple end product to some simple structure - but we haven't succeeded yet.

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