"I don't know that socratic questioning. I can't see a way to get you to where i think you are," Toyo says. "You're hollow and dead ins ie yoe're like, yo, that's me, right? And maybe there's a joke, something like not." 'It's just, it's cause, sometimes, like, we get there through like, realization and querning,' he adds. "[Toyo] is the kind of person who would be really good at this sort of thing if she was actually able to do it'