Evaluating Merit Over Superficial Judgments

Hosts Jamey Heath and Liz Plank discuss the significant shifts happening in our society and the crucial role men play in supporting these changes. This moment is a catalyst for broader conversations about gender and racial equality, challenging us to reconsider who gets to lead and whose voices matter. Moving beyond politics, they recognize the cultural crossroads we face right now — a chance for America to reckon with its history and redefine its future. 

Liz and Jamey highlight how men are actively dismantling long-standing barriers to equality. They stress the importance for men, the traditional power holders, to actively support women in leadership roles, especially Black women and other historically marginalized people. 

Men will make great impact when they recognize women’s contributions and help to break down barriers that have long kept them from positions of power. By standing with them and championing their leadership, men can help shape a future where everyone thrives.

This episode encourages all of us, particularly men, to engage in meaningful conversations, challenge the status quo, and work together to build a society that values and uplifts everyone. It is a collective movement toward a more just and inclusive world, where men and women unite in a societal awakening that drives people to build something new together.

QUOTES:

"The best room is not a room full of women. It's a room full of everybody." – Liz (32:57)

"We look for all reasons to keep people down, to oppress, and to not let women (I don't even like saying the word 'let' like it's mine to even give), but to not champion women being in their full glory." – Jamey (20:20)

"This is a huge moment for women, for women of color being our leaders and us following them and supporting them." – Liz (5:26)

“I need my son and my daughter, other sons and daughters to learn how to see with their own eyes, hear with their own ears, to make an assessment that's borne out of truth, and not just false imitation. Just because my parents thought it, just because someone else said it. It's like really dive in yourself. And I feel like men…the more that we take a good look at ourselves, look at who's in front of us, look at the capacity of people, look at the beauty of people, look at some of the faults…do it with our own eyes and not get caught up in the mob, we become better, and better, and better.” - Jamey (33:02)

“it's not men versus women. A lot of people will try and convince you that that's the way that it is. If you give a lot to women, that means you're taking away from men...The other option is men plus women equals even infinity, that when we work together, and we collaborate, and we love each other, and we unite, and we connect, then the world is our oyster. Then we all get more freedom. We all get more possibility. We all get more liberty, and all of the beautiful things that we want in life. And it's a lot more fun...when we get along.” - Liz (31:59)

“We're seeing men…[that] are the fruit of all the labor that you have been doing, of so many people who are saying, "Don't ignore us. We have incredible things to say. Get your foot off my neck." And that's what makes me feel proud when I see men of this nature raising money for something 10 years ago would've not. 100 years ago, they would've been in jail for raising money for a Black campaign, or shot and killed.” - Jamey (10:01)

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Executive Producers: Justin Baldoni, Jamey Heath, Tarah Malhotra-Feinberg

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