In this episode, Jerry and Stably discuss Up From Conservatism: Why the Right is Wrong for America by Michael Lind, a book Jerry has owned for two decades but never previously read. The conversation begins with light banter about sports and seasonal changes, setting a casual tone before diving into the substance of the book. Jerry reflects on his decision to finally tackle this long-unread work, only to express disappointment with its content.

The hosts delve into Lind’s central arguments, which critique the modern conservative movement and its deviations from classical conservative principles. Lind explores how American conservatism has evolved, emphasizing the influence of economic libertarianism, cultural traditionalism, and alliances with populist movements. Jerry and Stably examine Lind’s analysis of these ideological shifts and his argument that contemporary conservatism has lost coherence, prioritizing political expediency over philosophical rigor.

Throughout the discussion, the hosts grapple with Lind’s writing style and the structure of his arguments. Jerry describes the book as uneven, with moments of compelling insight overshadowed by what he perceives as generalizations and a lack of depth. Stably highlights some of the book’s stronger sections, particularly Lind’s historical context and his critique of the conservative movement’s alignment with corporate interests at the expense of working-class values.

The conversation also touches on how Lind’s ideas resonate with or diverge from contemporary political trends. The hosts reflect on the enduring challenges of defining conservatism in a rapidly changing cultural and economic landscape. They discuss whether Lind’s vision for a reformed conservative movement, rooted in communitarian values and economic equity, offers a viable path forward or remains an academic exercise detached from political realities.

While the episode features critical engagement with the book, Jerry and Stably agree that Up from Conservatism provides a useful starting point for exploring the ideological tensions within American conservatism. They encourage listeners to consider the book’s arguments as part of a broader conversation about the evolution of political ideologies and the interplay between principles and pragmatism in shaping movements.