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John Mark McMillan - Deep Magic part 2

The Ferment Podcast - Conversations About Worship And Transformation

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Exploring Theological Parallels and Sacrifice in Musical Interactions

Exploring Jesus' actions in the wilderness, the discussion emphasizes the significance of personal sacrifice for the well-being of others amidst musical interactions, highlighting the deep magic of caring for one another.

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Speaker 2
How did we get here? We don't know. But what I do know is I'm obsessed with Talene. I
Speaker 1
know I do love Talene. I mean, we were telling her this that she really seems like such a natural fit with this group of girls and it kind of makes me sad that she wasn't there for season one. I mean no shade to our girl Nina who tried to make french fries the thing but I feel like if Taline had I know you had her you didn't even remember. Yeah remember Nina was all about like the french fries talking about this that french fries gave me my french fries. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I feel like we could have done better in the casting department and just had Talene on there from the jump because she, she came in via Caroline Brooks. And now she and Caroline Brooks, they're all out of sorts. And she's best friends with Stanbury and the rest of the girlies. Maybe not Lisa Milan who tried to scorch her on this past episode of Dubai. But anyway, she should, I feel like she's just like bopping around, she's getting involved with who she needs to get involved with, she's fighting with who she, like you know what I mean? Like she just makes for a really good housewife and it feels like she was meant for this job.
Speaker 2
Oh, she was so meant for her, that's why we had so much fun talking to her. Here's a little sneak peek of our full interview to wet your whistle before we dive into everything. And you're gonna want to listen to the full one because we're talking about her music career, some things we've seen on Twitter, and so much more.
Speaker 4
You know, Brooks, obviously she brought me in and you know, she had beef with some of the girls and that alone was a bit difficult because, you know, I didn't want people to have me associated with any of the drama that she had or have any preconceived notions. So I had to really I kind of felt like I started in the negative with some of the girls. So I had to really build those those friendships. And look, I mean, I think Brooks intention was her loyalty to me. And I and I appreciate that. But there were a lot of deeper issues going on there between her and Caroline. And I do think one she saw that I was getting closer with all the girls really it just it wasn't going her way.
Speaker 1
When you entered this experience did you think there was a chance that you and Brooks would drift apart or did you did you go into it feeling like the Friendship was solid were there any conversations you had about like, okay, we're good friends We're not gonna let the show get in the way of this like, what was that? Yeah, that's
Speaker 4
a great question No, the short answer. I I thought that we were strong enough to get through this season But look, I mean it's TV and you see sides of people and there's different dynamics with the other women and the drama is all real. That happens. That was actually my biggest surprise. I didn't know how real it was. And it's sad, you know, because we did have a solid friendship. And you know, never say never. I hope one day we can sort some things out because she was one of my first friends in the
Speaker 2
States, but you know, things change. There's ebbs and flows and friendships. And right, the most recent episode, there was some flowing with Lisa. Yeah. I don't know, like, I kind of, it was like one of those rewind moments where I was like, why
Speaker 4
are we mad? So like what? Right, right. I was saying if Lisa saying the word bitch was a drinking game,
Speaker 2
like we'd all be on
Speaker 4
the floor. Because it's, yeah, I
Speaker 2
didn't know where that came from. And you were saying on Watch What Happens Live, it seemed like she's just someone who lives for a moment.
Speaker 4
Yeah, I think I think she was a little butthurt that maybe she thought I was trying to get a moment, which I really just wanted to privately take Stanbury aside because it was a very personal issue. That's what I would have wanted, you know, for someone to do that to me. Maybe she felt left out, but yeah, she was probably looking for that moment. I
Speaker 1
feel like at that point, there were so many issues flying around this group, but no one knew about the issue that you were bringing up to stanberry a part of me watching as a viewer felt like the group was almost paranoid about what you
Speaker 4
think about that. Yeah.
Speaker 1
Was there a sense of paranoia? Do you think looking back on it about what you two were discussing and then you know I feel like they believed to know that it was just about the Sergio and the kids.
Speaker 4
Could be could be and look maybe I again I don't regret pulling her aside because that's what I would have wanted but I told them everything's fine it had nothing to do with anyone at the table but you're right I mean it's a good point. It could have been paranoia, but some of these b****s want a moment. I think it's more leaning towards that way. They're
Speaker 2
a little thirsty. A little bit. A little bit. But I think it was good that you took Stan Barry aside because she is somewhat, like you said, like you understood her British humor. I feel like she's very British reserved. If you brought up a sensitive topic in front of a lot of people, she wouldn't have received it. Yes.
Speaker 4
Well. It would have been very intimidating, I think, with everybody there. Did she
Speaker 2
receive your humor on Watch What Happens Live last night? Have you heard from her about, because you had some fun, and I think it was in good fun about the face, which face, and the age
Speaker 4
of her. Well, I always tell her, I'm like, you're two -faced one on the cast because you literally have two faces And I mean that in the best way possible because first of all, she was gorgeous with her old face But she's even more gorgeous now. I'm like, I like I want to get a face left. I'm telling you She she I understand British banter very well and and I think she gets my humor. It's very sarcastic. Sarcasm is my love language and she she just gets me. She understands my humor. So I don't think she was offended. I hope she's not offended because I love her and I love Sergio so much and they do have a solid relationship. But regarding I said about them in the fight at the Michaels, I think she was a little bit harsh on him, and I just felt bad, that's all. You've been digging on YouTube. We've also been digging on Twitter. Yeah.
Speaker 2
And why is this new friend of
Speaker 4
not your friend? She seems - Which one? Saba? Oh, Saba, yeah, yeah, yeah. She seems to not really be vibing Look Saba is interesting. I think we have very different personalities She when I first met her I felt like she was just a little judgmental of the group. She kind of had her nose in the air and I have no hate for the girl, but we are just extremely different. And I was on my live Instagram and I said that she was boring. And she is. And she didn't like that. And so we had a little back and forth, but it was all in good fun. It was all in good fun. She's a
Speaker 1
sweetheart, just boring. She's a sweetheart who's implying that you have a problem and are chugging things at 9 a .m.
Speaker 4
I know clearly she hasn't been to a fun brunch and I feel bad for her about that I
Speaker 1
did love how you responded with like the dancing girl emoji well no
Speaker 4
and then she goes well and I'm also happy I've never been to a a which I haven't and then I go Saba and a a stands up and says, hi, my name is Saba and I add nothing to the show. So, yeah. But we laughed about it. She literally what's at me and like literally had laughing faces. So it's not that deep. She gets it. It's not
Speaker 2
that deep. But I love, this is why you're so good on the show. I mean, it's not deep, but I can go deep I can go deep I have I have
Speaker 4
the archive have it in me. I have it in me I do

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