The Five Minutes Before the Podcast

"I sometimes wish we recorded the five minutes before we record the podcast, because it really is a perfect example of working genius," he says. "On a team where you don't have that level of vulnerability, that would probably get really frustrating for the inventor." He adds: 'But when we know what we're doing and that we need each other to do it, well, you can throw out 12 that we shoot down'