And i know that, i know that we gogt to wrap up hure old quick, so i'll be fast. But the big ilesson that i learned, aside from how beneficial low carb is for me, im, in 20 19, i did western states im just like a month and a half before i did the chivel crown, i used to be like, very particular and very nip picky with my my running. So, like, i'd create split charts, like, my agle, my beagle, my seagle, and these are the times i should be into this ay station, and these are my beagle for times i should into the aid station. And i found at western states at, like, even though, like, i got a little bit off from my splits, and even though it was only a little bit, like, i started to like really think about that. And it really started a ness with me where i just started to like develop a once the point kind of attitude. And i slowed down and finished, like quite a bit slower than i would have if i just, like, didn't have that stuff to worry about. And so when i went into big foot a month and a half later, i didn't create any split charts. I told my pacers, my crew, like, don't tell me how fast i'm going. Don't tell me how close i am to first, second, third, wherever i am. Don't tell me the overall time that i'm on paste to finish in. I just want to run according to how i'm feeling. And so if there's a section where i felt like crap, i just slow down. I just accepted it. If there's a section where i et, i cid go al faster than i up my speed a little bit. And i ended up like, like, really improving. Like, i improve my time at that big foot race by 20 hours versus he 20, 17 times. So so i learn pretty quickly between those two races that i do a lot better if i'm not on planning too much and just just running according to how i feel. Awsome,

and we can be a little more relaxed. My my call that was going to give us a hard stop, just got move to next week. So i fell bre to get long winded now, if you wantoi

ont point outo, you know, im specially coming from running marathons and trying to be competitive in the marithon, it does seem ta, you know. And i'm sure it's like this for men as well, but for women, i mean, it can be, you know, we're planning down to the same thing the exact second. Always looking at your watch, what pace am i on? You know, kind f like you were talking about my plate, worrying about callers. Oh know, it's been forty five minutes. Should i, you know, getting kind of freaking out about that. So it's, it's really and then i kind of refreshing for me to hear both sac and mike talk about am, how important it is, specially as you get into the longer distances, to am not not vearly worry about every single detail, not just because, like, one, it's not useful, not helpful, but too, like you could act, you're actually setting yourself back, like you're using mental energy. Ah, mike, you're saying like it literally siked you out, you think, in western states. So and nhow i find that that's, that'st really interesting. That's something at all even you know, as i your ulter runner, i'll take from this

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ge say, sume of it, i think, is like matching the plan with the personality. So that i've had clients in the past are quite a bit different than you, mike, or myself, where they really get a lot of peace of mind of having everything kind of laid out and like an order of operations and like a list of, i want to hit this split at this aid station. And i've seen it work like where it usually works though, as you have to that person has to be very open to being the hurdle for them to get over, i should say, is when one ause, something's going to go different, right? No way around that. It's a hundred miles from your case, 200 plus, and like, something's going to happen off plan. So if i get a person who's very detailed like that, who wants to have like, this aid station at one 32 and 28 seconds and this aide station, that's great. But then you have to be able to say, like, ok, this aide station, ot, that aide station. I hit the plan. Great. Let's go next one. And then when you hit one that doesn't, when they get to thet next one, ignore that one and look at what the next step is and just start tackling that chunk and not be fixating on what didn't go right. So as long as they're ok knowing going in, like, all right, i got, i have these details. And ask in o let me fall asleep the night before, ecause i know i have it detailed and laid out. They have to be comfortable with i when something does happen and back on course. And i may 've seen jim walmsley do a pretty good job of that, where he'll sit there and he'll he'll look at whell, here's where i want a hit from, this ay station, at this tay stage as my target. And you know, inevitably, the day of, he'll get there either a couple of minutes ahead or a couple o minutes behind what he projected he would do. And you know, he's able to just adjust from there and say, ok, that one's behind me. Now now i got to look at what's my next station, gap in time expectation. Time to dial that one in and think and focus on that. That personality, you know, tha, that's great, but, ah, that's, that's part of the fun with the t the ultra marathon stuff is working with thacis that we do have a pretty wide range of personlaties in this sport. Imen.