i'm a pessimist at heart, but i'm actually optimistic about this, and i'll tell you why. In the last 30 years, we have seen four countum, four cultural tetonic shifts in america. And if people don't read to the end, which sometimes happens with books, or if people are listening to the first part of this interview, you start to imagine a very pessimistic world. There are actual solutions inside of ther besirds.

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