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EP225: When a breakdown is a new beginning with Alex Manzi

Changeable Podcast

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The Game, the Dream, Right?

"It's so funny how we can be so in the game that we really do kind of just lose sight of the bigger picture," Ellie Goulding says. "We need the spiritual experience on some level and it's an amazing dance between the two throughout our whole lives." She adds, "You can't separate the two. Amy can't be dreaming about being in L.A without Amy being asleep on the couch in our house?"

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