If you add one more predator to that list and it's your own species, then you've just added another significant obstacle to the already challenging proposition of surviving. So maybe this is innate, maybe this is hardwired into us, it's part of our operating system. But if it were a learned behavior, if it was a piece of software that could be loaded or unloaded, depending on the needs of the moment, then you have to ask yourself why in some societies it is looked on with horror, with contempt and disgust. Whereas in other societies, there are no such qualms. And if we're going to know ourselves, which is the stated objective of this podcast, even if it