This episode was recorded in two thousand and nine. Here i am recording this little bit in 20, 20, 11 years later. The book is called mena from mars, women from venus. It was written by john grey, who is an american relationship counsellor,. And yes, he is a man. So we just need to go back to the conversation with nick and howard. Er, i wonder what this conversation would be like now if i did it again. That could be an interesting theme for another time.