You Can't Turn Light Switches on for People

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One of the complaints is that privileged white people step into spaces and the more modern term is you know you come in as a white savior, right? I'm curious whether that was sort of the way you entered this space and very quickly got it knocked out of you. Or were you wise enough to come in realizing that wasn't what it was about in the first place?" "I need to be content with the fact that I own a flashlight and I know where to aim it and that's it period," he says. 'It's important if you're privileged to go to the margins to have your heart altered'

Father Gregory Boyle is an American Jesuit priest and the founder of Homeboy Industries in Los Angeles, the largest gang-intervention, rehabilitation, and reentry program in the world. He has received the California Peace Prize and been inducted into the California Hall of Fame. In 2014, the White House named Boyle a Champion of Change. He received the University of Notre Dame’s 2017 Laetare Medal, the oldest honor given to American Catholics. He is the acclaimed author of Tattoos on the Heart, Barking to the Choir, and his latest book, Forgive Everyone Everything.

Fabian Debora is the artist and illustrator of the book, Forgive Everyone Everything. His work has been showcased in solo and group exhibitions throughout the US and abroad. Fabian served previously served as a counselor and the Director of Substance Abuse Services & Programming and a mentor at Homeboy Industries in Los Angeles and is now the Executive Director of Homebody Art Academy.

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