Paul: A lot of this is simple. You probably wouldn't use these these ML tools for which are great. But I think that like, how do you communicate this to other people and like build even if it is spreadsheet or like little quick front ends to databases that are spreadsheets? He says over the next kind of couple of years is giving people visibility without having to teach them what you did during that full day to make the spreadsheet work. "I won't be trying our anytime soon," he adds with a laugh.

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