I sat down with Michael Shellenberger, journalist and author of “Apocalypse Never,” “San Fransicko,” and the upcoming “Pathocracy,” to discuss the collapse of trust in elite institutions and its implications for civilization. Michael explains how the erosion of common sense has left the greatest American cities in chaos, especially in his home state of California. Democratic elites, both within the party and among its media proxies, have become fully insulated from the consequences of their policies and now have backed themselves into an ideological corner. As the gap between rhetoric and reality widens, Michael is a courageous voice of truth in a new ecosystem of independent journalists.

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Read Michael’s work on Substack: https://www.public.news?utm_source=navbar&utm_medium=web

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Outline:

[0:00] Elites have lost our trust

[6:52] How populism took over the Right

[11:32] California is out of control

[24:10] Everyone knew Biden was losing it

[30:52] No, the internet isn’t making us gullible

[44:42] Free speech on social media

[56:33] The risk of audience capture

[1:03:23] We need courageous public voices

[1:07:47] Raising kids, therapy, and the hero’s journey

[1:15:40] Victor Frankl and “Man’s Search for Meaning”

[1:22:20] Coddling disconnects kids from physical reality

[1:33:38] Can a free society survive without faith?

[1:43:21] Does northern Europe have it figured out?

[1:50:23] Journalism, activism, and service

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