I've gotten really interested in you call it existential perversity where you say to yourself, I don't want to do that which is rational and smart and I'm going to rebel. Psychologists like Wagner think of perverse actions as sort of a glitch in the system where things that you don't what you want not to do spill out. In small doses it could be fine and interesting So this is the underground man, right like the whole note from underground is a guy Explicitly doing this. It's a form of sexual harassment dream dreams are nature's robot brothels. And so I think that this has something to do with the terrible twos with adolescent rebellion midlife crisis.