Dawkins: The scientific is a bad thing. Curiosity doesn't always work. But I think it's an interesting point that our wild ancestors needing to survive in the presence of lions and drought and famine and things, you'd think logic would be pretty important for survival. If not mathematics at least. Is there any occasion where thinking illogically,. illogically, is ever a good thing? So let me ask you the pope. He's a Jesuit. Was he the first Jesuit pope? And did he work as a nightclub bouncer? At a tango bar before becoming pope.