When Learning Becomes Procrastination: How Brilliant Minds Delay the Work That Matters
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Hedonic Rewards to Drive Momentum
Scott and Sarah discuss setting hedonistic rewards and short study/reward cycles to reinforce progress.
Why do the smartest people get stuck the fastest?
Recorded live in New York at the closing panel of our Alliance mastermind, this conversation brings together three of the sharpest minds in human performance—Steven Kotler, Dr. Sarah Sarkis, and Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman—to dissect the moment when learning quietly becomes procrastination.
They break down why high performers regress to old habits, how emotional load hijacks working memory, and why urgency feels like motivation but burns dirty on the backend. The result is a rare, inside-the-room masterclass on flow, intuition, and the subtle ways brilliant minds delay the work that matters most.
Takeaways:
- Why learning often replaces doing—and how to break the cycle
- The neuroscience behind procrastination, urgency, and energy management
- How intuition, emotion, and identity shape performance
- Practical tools to stay consistent, start sooner, and protect momentum
A rare, unscripted conversation straight from the Alliance—now yours.
Guest Bios:
Dr. Sarah Sarkis is a licensed clinical psychologist and certified executive leadership coach. After 20+ years running her own practice, her focus shifted to working with CEOs, athletes, and executives pursuing moonshot goals in the psychological game of greatness. She provides coaching, keynote speeches, and leads multi-day training workshops. Dr. Sarkis has been featured in The New York Times, Women's Health, Huffington Post, and CNBC. Her approach is science-backed and bullshit-free.Explore Dr. Sarah Sarkis’s work: https://drsarahsarkis.com/
Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman is a cognitive scientist, professor, and best-selling author known for redefining how we understand intelligence, creativity, and human potential. One of the most cited psychologists in the world, he teaches at Columbia University, where he directs the Center for Human Potential, and hosts The Psychology Podcast, with over 30 million downloads.
His research has appeared in The Atlantic, Scientific American, Psychology Today, and Harvard Business Review. He's authored 11 books, including Rise Above, which explores how limiting beliefs hold us back.
He holds degrees from Carnegie Mellon, Cambridge (as a Gates Scholar), and Yale, where he completed his PhD in cognitive psychology.
Explore Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman’s work: https://scottbarrykaufman.com/
In This Episode:
04:12 The Smallest Viable Dose: The Secret to Consistency
09:20 The Hedonistic Hack: How Rewards Drive Momentum
12:45 Stop Before You Crash: The Flow-Saving Strategy You're Not Using
17:18 Why We Freestyle Our Lives—And How to Break the Pattern
22:04 Overcommitment Is Killing Your Flow
28:36 Emotional Hijacking: How to Reclaim Your Working Memory
34:55 When Learning Becomes Procrastination
41:28 Intuition, the Unconscious, and the Brain's Pathfinding System
48:30 When Your Best Qualities Become Your Worst
51:45 The Flow Productivity Trap: Why Success Makes You Overcommit
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