From a mayor's perspective, your job really is to build a city where everybody can succeed. And by doing the right thing for climate, which is encouraging public transport, you're actually building a city that's not only good for the environment and has lower greenhouse gas emissions. So there are some cities, New York is a great example. Some cities, obviously in Europe, that have good public transit. It's really well used. The pandemic did have an impact, but I think they're starting to see ridership come back. In the US, those are kind of outlier cities. Even in places that are trying to get more public transit, though it is popular once it exists

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