There is a big arc to this counter revolutionary story that i think wendy has so well in so many different parts of her work. We're talking about the collapse of consensus idiologies. There had been these bids to re establish some idea of a kind of coherent sense of national belonging. And none ofthe have succeeded, you know. In art, maybe in all our lifetimes, the biggest effort was the war on terror. It's almost like a, a, complete fantasy, because if you dismantle it, then there's nothing to govern. So i'm always tort of a little bit baffled when i a reach a kind of affigy crew which is wrecking America.