In a recent interview with Lecrae, Matt Chandler talks about politics, celebrity pastors, mega churches, and ministry. He seems older, more haggard, exhausted from the last few years. He's not the young vibrant Matt Chandler from pre-2020. Jon examines why Chandler's tone and posture have changed even though his perspectives don't seem to have. Jon then critiques Chandler's theology and challenges the soteriology and public theology that seems to undergird both Matt Chandler and organizations like The Gospel Coalition and Acts29.