"We have to take drastic steps if we do not want to behave as holds on a global scale. Those drastic steps may very well include some form of material disruptions," he says. "My argument does not suffer from the flaw that franciscas has, which that the stuff, the policies that you talk about have no chance in the time that we have to save the climate."
This week's podcast is from our friends at Intelligence Squared Germany who hosted a live debate in Berlin last week on whether the EU's 'Green Deal', a plan to deliver both economic growth and carbon neutrality, is really achievable. The debate was held in partnership with The European Council on Foreign Relations and featured Franziska Brantner of the German Green Party taking on renowned climate activist Dr. Tadzio Müller. It was hosted by BBC journalist Damien McGuinness.
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