I think of in my own work, some of the interviews that I've done with people that have really just completely changed what I understood and thought about the kind of work that they do. And one person who had been at the darkest point of burnout and ended up having a life that was really great overcame all these things and was able to make a good life. So knowing those kinds of stories, what's possible, that kind of thing really has given us a much better understanding of what burnout is all about.

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