Sow: I know that a, if i were a bavorl economist, i'd say revealed preferences is what determines whether or not we're your favorite broadcast. And given that your here to talk about your book, i can say that your revealed preference is clearly for laurie santos pardcaste because that's the only pardcast that you mentioned in your book. sow: How many podcasts do you think you will have been on by the time you're done? I don't know, 20. W tamler, remember when you and i started, there weren't even 20 podcasts. We were one of three podcasts world.