Abercrombie and Fitch is a perfect counter example, but another one that I would talk about maybe listeners or less familiar with is Chico's. What happens with these companies is that the kind of public, when things are going well, investors assign a high multiple. So it really takes a long time for it to be proven out whether something can be sustainable or not. Lulu has a deeper brand value and message which is about self-empowerment.

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