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then, now, how much, how much of your life there was? Cody,

ah, it depends. I think, like, as you, you know, i go higher and higher in the air the shlons of a irid career, you end up like, programming by dock. Niendup like, having this incredible mechanism by which you can programme things by just opening up something in google dock and then just giving requirements, andhe eventually it transforms into cotes. A, i'm speaking in jest, of course. Now i do aboutabout half my time. Ak, coting,

i asked this because you wrote the good research handbook, the good research code handbook, that i found out about not too long ago. And one of the things i've been interested in for a long time is that there's a lot of people in the world that have to code that are not trained to code. And thats maybe a ok thing in most areas, but when we have scientific research depending on the code being good, it concerns me. So i'm glad this is here, cause this is one of the steps in the right direction. So tell me about this, this project, and how it started and what not.

Yes, o, this kind of long brewing process. So at the end of my page t i was doing research on this, like, new emerging field, whichis super cool wics called deep learning. Sos around like two thousand 12, two thousand 13. And, ah, i was doing this project relating in all deep nets with the brain, which is now like a pretty, like, well understood afield. But bagdan was totally new. And i wasted probably like a year just like trying to get together. And i was, you know, just stumbling upon my own cod because it was like larger than anything that i'd really done, and i didn't have like, a good method for doing it. So at the end of my ph g, like a lot of grad students, i just said, like, well, i'm going to work on this during my post to my adviser. And like many grad students, i just ended up going to a tropical island and sipping margeritas instead, and then never workd on it during my post tis. Like many, many grad students have abandoned projects like that. So during the death ote of the pendemic, i had some, some free time tit was like, yu know, this old project, i actually think that it's time to make it happen again. And so i have like a really old cold bay snos, like, i'm not going to use any of the atman, i couldn't even make a lot of t packages run, like teano, for instance, doesn't exist any more. And so i just decided to write it from scratch. And i wrote it totally differentan it was like, this was way easier than the first time around. And i was like, on, it's interesting, because i picked up some things, you know, doing soffor engineering a atgog and doing te c i research at fasborg, that could be applied for doing research, like, academic research. And, you know, slowly and surely, i kind of, ouknow, integrated these practices. And i just asked people on twitter, hey, do you care? Like, would you be interestedn inin learning about this? Cause i think a rit cod better. And the response was absolutely overwhelming. Ind got, you know, hundreds of retwes and, like, hundreds of messages from people, yes, please, please, you do help me out. I'm la gret student. I i'm drowning, and this in this technical death. I don't know what to do. And so there was a real product market fit, i guess it's what you would say. And this sid of jargon. And so i took a couple of weeks off to e to write it and release it. And the response has been really positive. I think, well,

it' it's interesting.