I know I hate that. I mean I'm not a mainline church now. I hate that logic that says, oh, the main ones been doing this forever. You know what else you've been doing forever? Boarding the crap out of most people who even think about coming through your doors. if you're from a rock-and background, if you're a go-getter, if you have an entrepreneurial spirit, if you want to make an impact in the world, sitting through a mainline service might actually just sap the joy, life, and inspiration out of you if that is not your upbringing or your frame of reference. That is the stupidest comment I have heard in a long time is just, well, join the mainline, be episcopal, be orthodox. That's not what we're talking about. Way to miss the point.

of the things I've missed about an evangelical church that we used to attend is it was the most racially diverse church we ever attended. And they really tried, I mean first of all their leadership intentionally was mixed. And then worship would be a country white guy with a guitar. And then the next week it would be somebody who would rap. And then the next week it would be a Native American like they will really that was a huge thing and you know I mean I'm sure there are that get there have got to be mainline churches that do that but that's you know sometimes it's so about the liturgy that they they won't pull out and do that kind of a thing so mainline is not the. I mean yes it can be appealing to somebody who's come out of an evangelical background that has no structure, you know, and then it's like we're swinging to the opposite side and we're like, oh bells and smells that's so cool because we've never had that.

Yeah.