I think just generally people don't listen to others and a lot of that is because you know everybody just wants to get their thoughts out there. For me it's like making it not about me and something I always say we are not as interesting as we think and people also don't care about it as much as we think. So yeah it's just being an intentional listener and like listening because you really do what a know and learn moreYeah a key part of what you mentioned is being present, how have you found to be the best ways to tap into that presence and become more present as a human being?

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