Governments, Debt, and the Politics of Preventing Depression

Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with over 30 years of Wall Street experience who's become one of the most compelling voices arguing that Bitcoin is "the purest AI trade" and the foundational asset for the post-industrial digital economy.

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🕑 TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction to Bitcoin and AI Convergence00:46 - Jordi's Background and Macro Insights03:54 - The Role of Bitcoin in Economic Disruption06:40 - The End of the Debt Supercycle10:25 - AI's Impact on Traditional Business Models11:08 - The Future of Work and Bitcoin's Role14:47 - Belief Systems and the Value of Bitcoin17:16 - AI's Perspective on Financial Assets18:58 - Structural Deflation and Bitcoin's Value Proposition24:56 - Government Policies and the Fiat System28:36 - The Political Landscape and Economic Realities31:09 - The Future of Fortune 500 Companies34:25 - AI's Impact on Business and Entrepreneurship38:48 - The Evolution of Investment and Trading45:46 - Preparing Future Generations for a Rapidly Changing World49:46 - Core Beliefs and Pursuit of Happiness

ℹ️ EPISODE SUMMARY

Bram Kanstein and Jordi Visser—a veteran Wall Street investor turned macro visionary—explore how AI and Bitcoin are converging to reshape the global economy, financial markets, and human productivity. Drawing from decades in high finance, Visser explains why the debt-fueled monetary system is reaching its breaking point and how AI-driven deflationary innovation is transforming capitalism itself. They discuss why Bitcoin is the purest AI trade, how it has no competition as a digital store of value, and why it will serve as the foundation for a post-work, tokenized economy. This wide-ranging conversation unpacks the future of entrepreneurship, wealth preservation, and the mindset shifts needed to thrive in the coming AI–Bitcoin revolution. If you’re exploring Bitcoin, AI, macroeconomics, innovation, or the future of money, this episode is a must-watch roadmap for the decade ahead.