John: The minute we step into these culture wars we've already lost in terms of what God has called us to do. He says when you follow Jesus through the gospels Jesus led with his values because he valued people and that makes communities a better place. Andy: We all value pretty much the same thing we're just trying to figure out how to leverage the value out of our lives. John: I apologize on behalf of all the Christians you've met that felt like they had to lead with their belief rather than leading with their values.