John Lilly - The Cat That Built the Sensory Deprivation Chambers

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John Lilly was the cat that kind of either invented or made popular sensory deprivation chambers, right? Yep. Kind of in an effort to induce a psychedelic experience without having to actually ingest anything. He started out ingesting shit piles of everything, including like, you know, pharmaceutical. And then when LSD was scheduled, and then no longer available as a research material, he moved to ketamine. Then he got into dolphins. So yes, so yeah, I mean, he built the sensory deprivation tanks had one at Eslan, had one in a few other places.

I say this all the time – but today’s interview is one of my favorites of all time. Jamie Wheal is a talented conversationalist, killer writer, and the author of Recapture the Rapture, a supremely high-level how-to book, if you will, on how people might recapture the individual bliss and collaborative magic that we’ve strayed so far away from.

We assess society at this stage of de-evolution before delving into ways Jamie has uncovered that we may deepen our understanding, and thus, our experience. Then, we spend some time talking about sex – past the stigmas and social strcutures put in place to distract and confuse us – to hone in on what a deeply spiritual and connective practice it can be, if you let it.

We wrap with a thoughtful dissection of what makes a bad cult, and what makes a good one. Jamie delivers his insight without even a hint of pretentiousness; he’s honest, hopeful, and confident – giving his words an inviting warmth that I know you’ll enjoy.

00:07:34 — A Critical Juncture for Humans

Recapture the Rapture by Jamie Wheal
17k-foot hike to a hot spring full of snakes
Connection between “Rapture” and “rapture”
The Woodstock/Burning Man of 1803
American spiritual soup
Why we can’t hear the centrists

00:34:23 — Ascension is Possible: Finding Meaning 3.0

William James and nitrous oxide (The Atlantic)
Substances as a tool
Your brain on nitrous oxide
Intentionality is everything
Ritualistic use in tribal Western New Guinea

00:59:01 — Sexual Practices to Deepen Your Experience

Illuminating the lack of research on sexuality
Unique nature of human sexuality
Sex magic and hermetic traditions
Creating a more exalted experience
Truly making love

01:31:34 — Building Ethical Cults

Luke’s first (and second) cult
Building communities that support each other
Red flags for spotting and avoiding a culty cult
Metaphysics, ethics, and sacraments
Exploring the work of Lisa Feldman Barett
The Follow → Fuck → Fear → Fight cycle
12 traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous
Highlighting the influence of Alice Walker and Joanna Macy
Celebrating the work of Ken Kesey, Robert Anton Wilson, and John C. Lilly
Admiring Gary Snyder, George Leonard, and Paul Newman

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