There are constant smoking of weed, which is very cool. Because it makes you confused and downwardly assimilated. But it's nice to like incorporate it sacramentally into kind of a futuristic christian afro thing yeah

and i was thinking about how being you know an already established criminal organization before you got to the gang rape makes the grooming easier because if you're dealing drugs and stealing stuff you can groom girls more easily because you can give them drugs and gifts yeah

it's like it seems very akin to gang activity here in america yeah as you gotta watch havoc it's the it's and it's very interesting in the post me too era too i'm

not gonna spoil it but yeah you'll enjoy well i was thinking about like the point that you made that in one way the um uk grooming gang controversy is similar to the epstein stuff because not only were there like mass rapes occurring but there was an obvious cover-up but the key factor in the Epstein stuff was obviously not all the sordid details about like the Lolita Express and the island like sucking off Alan Dershowitz like all the gross sort of details it was the fact that it was like a major blackmail operation so that was what justified the cover-up that's because a lot of very important and public figures were under threat of getting exposed yeah child

sex abuse is something like tragic that will always happen on some level that is like yeah just like a heinous thing that occurs amongst people yeah but the sinister aspects of it are when it becomes uh organized and political yeah

and it was sort of like the moral of chinatown the movie right that it's not that um the corruption and conspiracy led to the incest it's that the incest led to the corruption and conspiracy or they're like self-reinforcing it's like

the symbiotic yeah i was yeah the franklin cover-up was like in the late 80s in nebraska there was some child sex ring that was like exposed and then quote debunked and it was the same kind of uh it used sort of the language around like moral panics and conspiracy to discredit yeah and in the uk it feels like they're using the language of like systematic racism uh-huh to then all the art like i read the times article their framing is very much like why is elon musk like elon musk is basically doing like right wing dog whistling by invoking this like very real phenomenon and so then that gradually gets like pizzagate too it's like well

like right wing now basically just means um noticing and publicizing actual

real world phenomena, which then, yeah, people take, you know, frame as some kind of like conspiratorial. Hmm. scandal or something that it's like overinflated or overemphasized or like not a real you know they did it with Epstein they did it with the Franklin cover-up they're kind of doing it now with this yeah

but with the Epstein thing there was there were a lot of assets and reputations on the line because these were very prominent people yeah

it's obviously they're obviously different but the so

it was literal blackmail but in the uk grooming gangs case it's moral black it's like emotional moral blackmail yeah which I don't know, this isn't the oppression Olympics, but it's like possibly worse. When people are like, oh, Anna, you're too racist and you're not sensitive enough to me too. It's like, this is why. Well, this, yeah, these, I mean, we were so vindicated on me too. I know. Like whatever I tweeted, like the fact that this was such a headline for so many years that we were forced to take it seriously, that the whole morality of it was so inverted, like that headline that is seared in my mind, which nobody remembers. That was like 700,000, uh, farm workers stand with Hollywood actresses against me too. Yeah.

The times article is like, right. Framing Elon Musk. Cause some kind of like dog whistling conspiracy theorists. And then saying that, yeah, most of like giving the kind of basic stats, news reporting, very, you know, and then most of the, um, perps were of british pakistani heritage yeah

Well, I was looking into one of those studies and they were like, yeah, most of the perps are of like South Asian descent with a small minority of British Roma. Gypsies. Oh, gypsies. Okay. Who were like their own separate thing. Like they weren't involved with. They had their own gang. Yeah.

I read there's a hundred gangs in trinidad and there's a gang a prominent one called the sixers and they're trying to kill a gang called seven which i thought was very like sesame street it's

like a children's counting game but what

like you can send them back these are like generational they are british pakistani yeah you know like this is england yeah

it's funny to watch this

is what brexit was about i didn't understand brexit i wasn't i really get brexit well you know it's like that that quote from susan zontag that i always cite

that i'm gonna butcher but paraphrase where she's like well you know the thing with ideology is that it often dovetails with self-interest people have a way of rationalizing their ideological commitments that personally suits and benefits them how obviously but how does like

a white labor party member like that woman whatever that uh elon musk called a witch like how does she benefit from like

a rape cover-up well she's never held to account she doesn't lose her job she's never seriously punished she doesn't care it doesn't personally affect her she gets to feel like a good person because she's anti-racist she's not racist yeah or anti-racist excuse me no that's the correct terminology actually it's not good enough these days to be merely not racist you have to be anti-racist it's true well yes it is technically racist to point out that there are certain major incompatibilities between cultures yeah

but

everybody else in the world who's not an anglo seems to be totally fine and comfortable with this well

in trinidad there aren't really there's not like palpable animosity between afro and endo-caribbeans they do actually live they they do have a version of like multiculturalism that is like pretty functional and

they gave us Nicki Minaj thank you yeah they're

and it's an amazing country and Foxy Brown a lot of good female rappers they're cool they're sexy they're liming you know uh it's a really like the yeah there is the gang violence isn't even racialized it's like very distinct and kind of like in it's not i mean it didn't feel obviously i wasn't like in the hood but i wasn't it didn't

feel like more dangerous than new york but what i'm saying is like also the epstein scandal is similar to the grooming gang scandal in another way because the grooming gang scandal was not exactly like obscure and unheard of like you mentioned like it was reported on in the media and if you recall so were jeffrey epstein's crimes for for least a decade. There were the lone rogue reporters who were saying like, oh, this like financier of Bill Clinton and friend of Alan Dershowitz has these rumors circulating about him that he's like trafficking and molesting young girls.

Well, he got a sweetheart deal in Florida for trafficking a minor so yeah it was an open secret of sorts yeah yeah

and then it hit critical mass and became like a viral phenomenon

but

like in a way as like horrible and disgusting as it is that cover-up makes sense because it was an elite cover-up that was designed to protect the necks of various elites or keep them in line. This really defies all credulity, to quote Armand White, because these were civil servants, representatives of the people, acting against the interests of the people which is like nothing new under the sun and like when you hear like the right-wingers say like well the English leadership and the American leadership the elites have an open contempt for their own people their own constituency I sometimes I think it's so much worse than that because i don't even know if it's like exactly like act of contempt it's just like self-interest and indifference yeah they don't care they like literally don't give a fuck which is like so demeaning and dishonorable jp again yeah

because

you do have like a legacy and a civilization to protect

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