Max Bickman: I've seen some evidence pointing to the insulin rigidity of protein sources. We're actually studying why some people have higher glucose levels in the context of a low carb protein heavy diet. Protein is not meant to be consumed with fat, that's how we should eat it. Max: The insulin concern that people will have with regards to protein, I think is overblown. And as much as I'm an advocate of protein, that's my second rule, prioritize protein.