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174. Faith Journey 101 — A Conversation with Jana Spangler

Faith Matters

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The 10 Step Program for Getting to Stage Five

I remember feeling like a maybe a certain pride in some of my my own stage four where I have the questions started to seem, you know, superior to the answers that I had previously. How do you how do you sort of move forward is and it's it does seem like the first into tears at church. You get through it best when you accept the mess. When you're not trying to get out of it. Do stage four really well.

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