i was trying to speak about it very, a, you know, vaguely and balanced in this early times article. And i think maybe, i think that interviewer was, i know that interview who was very y, was coming from a place like, he came up very religious and related to that part of his life. But se that just seems to be how things go, ye, they die and then they changeye. That's, that's what we can say about the whole universe, yes, constantly dying and changing, yes, right. Ye, it's worse than that. It's pretty bad. I mean, o, it's really would i'll tell you off mike